Episode Introduction
The PACT Act had a years-long, tumultuous journey to Making it into legislation. It’s meant to supply expanded well being take care of veterans affected by burn pit toxins and different exposures incurred throughout their service.
Veterans and their advocates camped exterior of the Capitol for six days ready for a second that was years within the making and one which lots of their family and friends – who died from poisonous publicity – couldn’t see themselves.
“By no means once more,” one veteran stated.
Fundamental Matters
- Drew F. Lawrence, the PACT Act passes; a short historical past.
- Rosie Torres, co-founder of Burnpits360
- Hosts Drew F. Lawrence and Rebecca Kheel speak with Patricia Kime about different vital army tales for August 12.
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SPEAKERS
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Samantha Turner, Rosie Torres, Dr. Craig Postlewaite, Danielle Robinson, Jon Stewart, President Biden, John Feal, Drew Lawrence, Republican, Patricia Kime, Rebecca Kheel
Drew Lawrence
Final week, dozens of veterans have been on the brink of march towards the Senate gallery to witness a second that for them had been years within the making. Go as much as the third
Rebecca Kheel
ground, we’re gonna have your will your telephones and electronics are going to retailer them into
Drew Lawrence
some walked on prosthetics or with canes. A pair had plastic strains main from their noses to cellular oxygen tanks on their hips. Many stroll briskly and purposefully, even after six days of ready simply exterior the capitol throughout 90 diploma climate and wet nights, ready for this second. The temper was elated, but in addition it is typically weary.
John Feal
However one thing might go mistaken prior to now 5 o’clock. So do not get your hopes up too excessive till it even have.
Drew Lawrence
They’re about to look at the passage of the Sergeant First Class Heath Robinson honoring our promise to handle complete toxics Act, often known as the pact Act, a bit of laws that present well being care and compensation to thousands and thousands of veterans sickened by poisonous publicity from so known as burn pits utilized by the army over the past 30 years. The difficulty has been well-known within the veterans neighborhood for years. However once more, nationwide consideration in current months with advocacy from comic in 911, poisonous publicity, a champion, Jon Stewart, right here he’s on the way in which to the gallery. So, John, how do you now that we’re strolling in how do you’re feeling going into the Capitol proper now?
Jon Stewart
You recognize, it is both go in and achieve what we got here right here to do. Or it is you understand, I simply hope it is the appropriate. I hope it is the appropriate reply. That is all. You recognize, I have been down right here sufficient to not get too excited till it is performed.
Drew Lawrence
The invoice, which handed 86 to 11, after three Republican amendments have been struck down, was signed into legislation by President Joe Biden on Wednesday. He addressed veterans and households, lauding the efforts of advocacy teams and saying that his personal son, Beau, a former Army officer, died from burn pit publicity himself.
President Biden
You see the little man who’s sitting proper subsequent to that is my grandson, his daddy misplaced to the identical burned youngsters, and he is aware of what you are going via. The legislation expands entry to well being care and incapacity advantages for veterans harmed by poisonous publicity. It empowers the Division of Veterans Affairs to maneuver rapidly to find out service members sickness and associated army service to see in the event that they qualify and for households of veterans who died from poisonous publicity. It means a month-to-month stipend a $2,000 a month for surviving partner with two youngsters it means entry to life insurance coverage, Dwelling Mortgage Insurance coverage, tuition advantages, and assist with well being care. This new legislation issues. It issues lots. It issues an amazing deal as a result of these situations have already taken such a toll on so many veterans and their households. I’ve directed the Division of Veterans..
Drew Lawrence
Despite the fact that the invoice was signed into legislation, most advocates knew somebody who had died ready for that second. It come too late, they stated. Many veterans are questioning what the assistance that guarantees will seem like after its intense historical past, one which induced lots of them to need to relive a few of their worst moments as they pushed for its passage.
Samantha Turner
You recognize, I’ve served abroad, I’ve led individuals who have served abroad who’ve suffered from any such publicity and persistent illness. And I’ve misplaced buddies due to it.
Drew Lawrence
That is Samantha Turner. She’s a former Army officer.
Samantha Turner
Like I wasn’t the one which was on the market doing that I used to be doing paperwork in a hooch, proper? Enlisted of us… the oldsters that saved my life in lots of instances. They’re those that have been uncovered to this. They have been simply doing what we requested them and it is actually vital that they search out care and so they get the care that they want.
Drew Lawrence
So what did the journey that led to this second seem like? Now that the PACT Act is handed, what can veterans count on from it? For Navy.com, my identify is Drew Lawrence. It’s August 12. And that is Hearth Watch. So, what’s a burn pit? Because the begin of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, troops burned waste. A number of waste. That is Samantha Turner once more…
Samantha Turner
Poisonous publicity is principally while you’re uncovered to one thing that you simply usually would not be uncovered to. In order that they burn, we needed to burn all kinds of stuff to eliminate stable waste. You recognize, you understand, while you’re in austere surroundings, you do not have stable waste disposal. So we’d burn every little thing from medical gear, to physique components to plastics to, you understand, meals waste to every little thing. And we’d be round that, and we’d be respiratory that stuff. And, you understand, it was sort of simply part of what we have been uncovered to whereas we have been over there. That is one thing that you understand, it goes into your physique and stays in your physique after which can it may come again in numerous methods. Bronchial asthma, autoimmune ailments, cancers, cancers, cancers, it may sneak up on you a large number later in life and hit you want a ton of bricks. So, you understand, poisonous,
Drew Lawrence
I need to take you again for a minute as a result of burn pit publicity is not a brand new difficulty. It has been coated within the press for over a decade. That is Kelly Kennedy. She’s the managing editor for the Battle Horse. And he or she first coated burn pits in 2008. Kelly, so that you simply got here from the signing of the PACT Act by President Biden. And also you additionally wrote about joint base Balad in Iraq in 2008, which is taken into account to be one of many first items on burn pits. Are you able to inform us just a little bit about that piece and what it was like seeing the PACT act signed 14 years later?
Yeah, it was it was the primary piece and it was terrifying, as a result of, you understand, we needed to dig deep into the science. And I used to be afraid that I used to be gonna get beat down by DoD and VA as we have been writing it. So to see that first story, construct into a whole lot of tales from so many individuals, after which go and see a few of these individuals there at the moment. The veterans, the journalist, you understand, the comedians, it was, it was superb. I imply, it was, it was sort of cool. It is like the rationale you go into journalism, proper…
Drew Lawrence
And political guarantees to treatment the difficulty aren’t new both. A 12 months after Kelly’s reporting, then President Barack Obama stated, “I am completely satisfied that our commanders in theater are doing every little thing they will to guard their women and men. My overriding mandate to my companies is that you simply get one of the best science attainable, after which make choices on how we will shield our women and men in uniform. How can we deal with those that have been harmed?”
Dr. Craig Postlewaite
Sure. And And principally these these research, which have been very in depth, didn’t establish an elevated danger of respiratory signs or illness at areas with burn pits versus
Drew Lawrence
Dr. Craig Postlewaite, he was the Pentagon’s Director of Pressure Readiness and Well being Assurance. And in 2014, he gave an interview with PBS about burn pits.
Dr. Craig Postlewaite
We all know, nonetheless, that on a person foundation that it could be believable for a particular particular person perhaps to accumulate some sort of situation associated to burn pits smoke relying on how shut they have been to the burn pit, how a lot smoke they breathe, particular person susceptibilities and even publicity to different airborne particulates. And primarily based on all of that, we, we really feel that if there are individuals who have been harmed by burn pit emissions, the numbers are pretty low. However once more, we the…
Drew Lawrence
The Pentagon now estimates that 3.5 million service members have been uncovered to burn pits, however as a result of it had been denied for therefore lengthy, it’s unclear what number of have gotten sick or died from that publicity. However veterans uncovered to these pits did and proceed to die unexpectedly — and early. That is Danielle Robinson in entrance of the Capitol in March. She’s the widow of Sergeant First Class Heath Robinson, an Army veteran who died of a really uncommon most cancers, seemingly attributable to his publicity to burn pits, and for whom the PACT act is known as after…
Danielle Robinson
What I needed to name hospice in to get come into our home and begin the method of serving to my husband die. He stated, I do not know the way to surrender. I do not know learn how to take my final breath. I want all of you senators to know what it’s like to put on the ground beneath your dying husband for seven hours, serving to him die. In case you cross this honoring our pact act, you’re going to assist so many veterans who’re in the identical scenario on hospice proper now. For people who could have to return and hopefully to care for people who have cancers that may be curable. I requested you to do your obligation and cross this…
Drew Lawrence
The Pact Act had confronted numerous congressional setbacks with issues over issues like cash and the way that cash is spent. Listed here are some Republicans within the Home and Senate with their issues.
Republican
I want I might help the distinction our PAC act and encourage each committee member to do the identical however the Fed Reality is that we merely wouldn’t have the knowledge we have to report the invoice out of committee at the moment. I additionally need to help poisonous uncovered veterans. And I even have severe reservations about this invoice. Thanks, Mr. President, I rise as a result of I need to categorical issues that I’ve a few specific provision within the PACT Act… However we now have to do them responsibly with out breaking the financial institution, or making it more durable for VA to take care of different veterans. And what the PACT Act does is it expands this obligation on the a part of the VA. And it expands it lots by about $280 billion. Over the following…
You guys are all in a very good temper proper now. You are on a excessive. 5 o’clock there’s gonna be a vote…
Drew Lawrence
Veterans have been pissed off with the pink tape as they waited for days exterior of the Capitol. On August 2, 2022, these frustrations had become exhaustion. A veterans disaster counselor was known as to assist anybody feeling the compounding results of lac okay of sleep, meals, shelter, and the burden of the difficulty at hand…that was till…. That is John Feal. You heard him joking round a bit earlier. However he is a veteran and 911 poisonous publicity assist advocate. And at round three within the afternoon, the group obtained phrase that there can be a vote on the difficulty. They usually have been going to have the ability to watch the voting occur from the Senate gallery. Hopes have been excessive. However after over a decade of loss and false guarantees, many have been cautious, not solely nervous that they’d have the rug pulled out from beneath them, however for one another.
However this is what I am nervous about. As a result of it occurred in my guides, while you go away right here at the moment, as a result of this function, this difficulty was larger than all of us. Greater than Jon Stewart, what. You will go residence, you are gonna go residence, and also you’re gonna journey that prime for a few days. However then you are going to want, you are going to, you are going to crave the eye, and you are going to crave the have to be one thing to do one thing once more. Go residence and get assist when you want it. Go residence and get the counseling. In case you want it. I do it now. I am going to a therapist. After 19 years at this shithole. I nonetheless do it and it is nothing to be embarrassed about. However this difficulty is larger than you and it is going to soak up, it is going to eat you and it is going to swallow you. So, make at the moment your most interesting day. Straight away. Keep in contact with one another, help one another. And do not forget that you simply helped 3.5 million motherfucking veterans and also you guys….
Drew Lawrence
As soon as within the capitol veterans set within the rows of the Senate gallery. A few of them bounce their knees whereas others clasped palms. As senators slowly poured into the chamber. Some congressmen waved to the group after giving their vote to the clerk. Whispers have been muffled within the gallery. The veterans have been advised to maintain quiet as a part of the Senate decorum. However as soon as the invoice handed…
On this vote the yeas are 86, the nays are 11. Below the earlier order requiring 60 votes for the adoption of this movement to concur, the movement is agreed to.
Drew Lawrence
Veterans rushed out of the chamber to the Senate swamp for a presser and on the way in which I caught up with Jon Stewart and obtained his response right here. We caught up as we have been strolling in what simply occurred and the way do you’re feeling about it?
Jon Stewart
Simply aid man so blissful for them and so they can lastly go residence.
Drew Lawrence
And because the group gathered for the press convention, the elation was current, however bitterly pointed. This is Stewart once more.
Jon Stewart
However I’ll say this: I am undecided I’ve ever seen a scenario the place individuals who have already given a lot needed to struggle so laborious to get so little. I hope we discovered a lesson.
Drew Lawrence
And that is Rosie Torres, co founding father of Burn Pits 360. We’ll catch up extra together with her later.
Rosie Torres
13 years in the past my husband and I we rolled our baggage to Capitol Hill. We had no thought what we’re doing. We simply knew that God had put one thing in our hearts to to hold out and we did it for all the fallen that aren’t human. That is for Wesley Black. That is for Heath Robinson. That is for William Thompson….that is for all of them.
Drew Lawrence
For the veterans and their advocates, this was the fruits of years of pushing, reliving trauma related to the burn pits. And remembering those that have been misplaced too quickly and too late to see the second. This is Samantha Turner, once more, the previous Army officer.
Samantha Turner
I am blissful about it. I feel this invoice is gonna save lives and his invoice is gonna help the veteran neighborhood. However I additionally I am pissed off, and I need to guarantee that veterans’ lives and veterans’ laws is rarely used as a political soccer ever once more. So the struggle’s not over.
Drew Lawrence
Subsequent, you are about to listen to an interview with Rosie Torres, who alongside together with her husband, Le Roy, an Army veteran affected by poisonous publicity, co-founded BurnPits360, an advocacy group that was on the forefront of pushing this laws via Congress. Rosie is becoming a member of us by telephone. Take a hear. That is good. I do know you are busy. So I recognize you taking a while to speak to me.
Rosie Torres
Oh, yeah, for positive. Yeah, positively.
Drew Lawrence
So I simply needed to start out out with asking about your nonprofit. And what the inspiration behind founding BurnPits360
Rosie Torres
My husband was the inspiration. It was my husband’s. So he got here again from Camp Anaconda. And instantly when he returned, he was already admitted to the hospital with respiratory points, when he began with these respiratory points in Iraq. So I did not suppose something of it on the time, and neither, and perhaps he did, however he was hiding it from me. I assumed it is only a racket cred, which is what everybody else would name it. And as time progressed, his well being declined. And, you understand, he then began collapsing, could not breathe, gasping for air. In order that they could not perceive what was occurring. And him being a state trooper. They have been like, we will not have you ever on the freeway, we will not have you ever within the workplace. Like, we simply do not know what to do with you. You might want to come again with a solution. And the VA and DOD, the one reply was at all times psych meds and unknown etiology. So lots of this was simply this employer saying, Give me a solution. We have been the primary group on the Hill knocking on doorways, passing out flyers standing exterior of Walmart, you understand what I imply? Like actually telling individuals to concentrate, and so they would not. You recognize, so we have been main the way in which on this points for most likely 15 years.
Drew Lawrence
Are you able to inform us just a little bit concerning the battle for this invoice? I imply, there was a lot rhetoric that was popping out of Congress about it. That was, it was truthfully laborious to maintain observe of the place it stood.
Rosie Torres
I imply, we walked the halls for years, 13 years, 12 months after 12 months after 12 months of coping with gatekeepers, and political bureaucratics, simply bull shit excuses about why they would not, why they could not and why they should not. And in the long run, it was very clear that they have been taking part in partisan politics on the backs of sick and dying veterans.
Drew Lawrence
There, there could also be some veterans listening to this who’ve been uncovered to burn pits. And now that the PACT Act has been handed, when you might, you may inform them the primary place that they need to go seeking to both get registered or attempt to get assist for what they are going via, the place would you advocate that they go?
Rosie Torres
I imply, search for the for the small print on the PACR Act particularly, I’d go to the va.gov for assets of data on signs and situations and you understand, the VA environmental letter and all these different issues they may go to BurnPit360.org, which is our web site and so they can entry lots of that data on there already. I imply, being their very own advocates and and downloading these assets which can be on our web site. I feel these are tremendous vital in navigating specialised healthcare, and navigating entry to compensation advantages. You recognize, while you have a look at the listing of signs, since you’re so you understand, sort of leery about like wildly it might simply be related. Perhaps not Perhaps my brother or sister who’s within the army, like, perhaps they’re worse off than I’m. However we simply do not know like persons are ticking time bomb, you can be high-quality at some point and never Effectively, the following. So it is your job so as to add to advocate for your self and to teach your civilian medical doctors as nicely, together with your DOD and VA medical doctors, by taking them these letters, the V, environmental letter, poisonous publicity desk that is on our web site. It is this builds, I will do every little thing for you, you additionally need to put within the work. And I really feel that these paperwork which can be on our web site that we have put collectively within the final 13 years will actually assist individuals.
Drew Lawrence
In case you might inform the general public of 1 factor about this difficulty or this invoice, and so they might take away with it from it. One factor what what would that be
Rosie Torres
That I am that I am grateful that we have been capable of mobilize America the way in which we did on this injustice, and that I am glad to see have seen to have been a part of and witness America present up that day. The way in which they got here collectively the way in which they confirmed up for us. I imply it this was trending on Twitter, proper? This was everywhere in the information. And that was due to the American individuals. I had a lady present up from Texas, who did not have youngsters who’re veterans. Her husband was in a veteran. I do not know her identify. I am looking for her. However she confirmed up and stayed with us on a regular basis via Firewatch. So it was the American those that stated we should fulfill our ethical obligation. And I am so glad that they did as a result of I do not suppose we’d have had the momentum we now have at the moment. Have they not understood that veteran sleeping on the chest of our of our capitol begging for assist was okay with any American. It was not.
Drew Lawrence
Rosie Torres, thanks a lot for spending time with us right here on Hearth Watch.
Rosie Torres
Thanks a lot.
Drew Lawrence
Arising subsequent, we now have our roundtable with my co host, Rebecca Kheel, and our visitor Patricia Kime, who’s going to speak to us about another nice tales which can be occurring within the army this week. In case you loved this podcast you additionally would possibly benefit from the PCS podcast, which is hosted and produced by our government editor Amy Bushatz. Thanks for listening.
Rebecca Kheel
Hello, everybody. I am Rebecca Kheel, congressional reporter for Navy.com and your co host for Hearth Watch. Becoming a member of us at the moment for a roundtable is Navy.com Reporter Patricia Kime. Drew, you simply obtained performed telling us all concerning the PACT Act. The invoice is handed. However it appears like veterans do not suppose that is the top of the struggle. Patricia, you have coated burn pits points for a very long time. What do you see as the way forward for this?
Patricia Kime
Effectively, the method goes to be now that claims that get filed and getting these via the system in addition to getting burned pit veterans into the care. VA traditionally has had some small models which have taken a have a look at burn pit and deployment associated diseases. However there’s going to be some training of medical doctors and suppliers inside VA concerning the diseases related to burn pits. After which there’s the claims. At present VA has a backlog of claims it is not as giant because it was once. However that is anticipated to develop and to be able to deal with the brand new inflow of claims. VA has been hiring like loopy this previous most likely six months, attempting to actually ramp up efforts to guarantee that they will deal with the brand new claims in addition to automating instituting some new laptop programs to allow them to automate a few of the claims.
Rebecca Kheel
In my brief profession protecting Congress. The tip of that invoice, with the cloture vote and every little thing was one of many sort of wild as curler coasters I’ve seen, no less than within the Protection and Veterans be it. In the meantime, one other considerably shocking information The Pentagon has introduced its choose for a brand new prime spokesman. The position has been empty since John Kirby left to run communications on the Nationwide Safety Council in late Could. Now the Pentagon introduced final week that his substitute goes to be an Air Pressure One star drew why does it matter that the brand new prime spokesman is in uniform?
Drew Lawrence
Proper so the brand new spokesperson his his identify’s Brigadier Normal Patrick S. Ryder, and he is really the second uniform spokesperson for that has held a place within the positions historical past. In, you understand, the the place in and of itself is is basically a political one It solutions to the administration and sometimes, the solutions that the Division of Protection provides to reporters can maintain political weight army personnel usually bristle at making statements whereas in uniform that holds political weight. So Rebecca, I need to speak to you just a little bit a few story that occurred a few weeks in the past, and President Biden had introduced that the CIA efficiently assassinated an al Qaeda chief named Ayman al Zawahiri, he had taken over for Osama bin Laden as soon as as soon as he was killed, and was a precedence goal for america for a very long time. Can you’ll be able to you inform us just a little bit concerning the significance of this assassination. And you understand, what it means to our broader counterintelligence program?
Rebecca Kheel
Effectively, that we’re listening to won’t be as huge a reputation as Osama bin Laden. However his killing was positively a giant deal, each for what it means, you understand, for the survivors and relations of victims of terrorist assaults, but in addition for what it means for the US counterterrorism technique going ahead. This strike occurred about 11 months after the US withdrawal from Afghanistan. As of this recording, we’re a pair weeks away from the one 12 months anniversary of it. And it was the primary strike that we have carried out inside Afghanistan, for the reason that withdrawal. And once we have been in the course of that withdrawal bind administration officers, army officers stored saying that simply because we’re leaving Afghanistan doesn’t suggest we will take our eye off the counterterrorism ball. They usually detailed this kind of imprecise quote over the horizon technique, the place we’d be conducting strikes inside Afghanistan utilizing forces primarily based exterior of Afghanistan. However there was lots of skepticism from lawmakers on either side of the aisle that that will be efficient. And up till now, there’s been no proof to indicate that we’d really try this. Now this strike was supposedly recare carried out by the CIA. However it’s nonetheless important that it’s the first strike we have performed exterior of since we withdrew from Afghanistan.
Drew Lawrence
However I do I do need to flip Rebecca to an amazing occasion of reporting that occurred in our newsroom with Steve Beynon, and he was doing a profile on the Sergeant Main of the Army, Michael Grinston. And one thing occurred throughout that interview that I assumed was that was fairly nice. Are you able to inform us just a little bit what occurred in in really what the results of that occasion was?
Rebecca Kheel
Yeah, nicely, initially, you are proper. The profile that Steve wrote was glorious. And I do advocate all our listeners exit and skim that. However within the strategy of reporting on this profile of Sergeant Main the Army, Michael Grintson, Steve went with him to Fort Bragg. And whereas he was there, grimston carried out an inspection of the barracks. And these barracks have been already recognized to have some mould points, which as we talked about, on our final episode is an ongoing downside throughout your complete army. However throughout this inspection, apparently grimston and Steve additionally discovered that there was an enormous gap within the wall with uncovered pipes. So grimston ordered, virtually everybody out of the room apparently gave a dressing all the way down to a few of the management on the base. After which it got here out a few days later that 1200 Troopers from Fort Bragg are going to need to be relocated, as a result of the barracks failed to fulfill livable situations. There are nonetheless some questions, I consider, as of this recording as to the place they’re gonna go and all that. However a very good instance of some watchdog reporting there.
Drew Lawrence
I do know, virtually, virtually actually, he was there, watching all of this go down. And he did a extremely nice job of, of profiling that occasion, within the, as you stated, the dressing down that had occurred afterwards.
Rebecca Kheel
Patricia, you wrote lately a few letter that the previous secretaries of the VA wrote to Congress about one thing known as Nationwide Warrior Name Day. What’s Nationwide Warrior Name Day all about and why are the VA secretaries pushing this?
Patricia Kime
So it is an effort by nonprofits, a number of nonprofits attempting to push for push to designate the Sunday after Veterans Day, as a day for individuals to select up the telephone and attain out name a veteran and go go to a veteran, go, you understand, see a veteran in an effort to handle cut back suicides, elevate consciousness for suicide prevention, the idea between earlier than the idea Hello, nationwide warrior Cole day is that isolation is harmful and might be dangerous. And, you understand, lots of veterans in the event that they’re affected by psychological well being situations issues are likely to self isolate and this might result in loneliness. Extra psychological well being points, and and presumably, you understand suicidal ideations.
Drew Lawrence
Patricia, that is fairly important to me, no less than with the VA secretary’s writing, is that is this a typical factor for them to write down to Congress? Have they performed this earlier than?
Patricia Kime
And you understand that I am unable to consider some other occasion besides final 12 months after they really did the identical factor calling for a warrior name day, they have been capable of get a modification connected to the Nationwide Protection Authorization Act on the Home aspect final 12 months, however that was really stripped from the invoice throughout convention with the Senate. So it by no means went into impact this 12 months. They’re pitching the Senate in an effort to get a decision and simply have it no less than cross as a decision if not a part of the protection invoice. However, however it’s distinctive to see all seven of them their signatures on one web page, you understand, going again to the fourth VA Secretary.
Rebecca Kheel
Effectively, thanks a lot, Patricia, and thanks a lot to all our listeners for tuning in. Keep in mind to return again in a few weeks the place we are going to as soon as once more, inform you all the newest information from across the army.
Drew Lawrence
Superior. Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot for tuning in to episode three of Firewatch. I need to thank our government producers Zack Fryer Biggs and Amy Bushatz. And when you loved this podcast and need to see extra of our work, head over to army.com. And if you wish to attain out and say hello, ship us an e-mail at podcast@army.com Thanks for listening
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